Take your time and let it sink in: 1. 11. The Prophet ()s custom was always to point out to his Companions the geographical locations and landmarks connected with previous Divine Envoys. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. [21], A hadith tradition preserved in the a al-Bukhr collection narrates that the Islamic prophet Muhammad called Hegra "the land of Thamud" and did not allow his troops to drink from its wells or to use its water, and to never enter its ruins "unless weeping, lest occur to you what happened to them. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. I would rather think that the Thamud were more like two or three hundred years after the Aad. The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. - - * - The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. Indeed, the Quran states that many generations came after the first tribe of Thamud without specifying an exact timeline. Seriously? [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. People descended with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, to the valley of Hijr, the land of Thamud, and they drank from the wells and kneaded flour with it. Rise, let us go against her for battle And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn. This generally means that despite very weak appearance now they one were very well established from the remanats. It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. . ""- . Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? The 2 verses are very generic in that they describe the general civilizations over time that have been destroyed or have perished but their signs remain behind. Although the Thamud probably originated in southern Arabia, a large group apparently moved northward at an early date, traditionally settling on the slopes of Mount Athlab. Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. This is an article I recently wrote. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. 3. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. Abul Ala Maududi. The Thamud were scientists. By about 850 BCE, a complex network of settlements and camps was established. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. Also, 28:40 is referring to Pharaoh and the verse tells us to BEHOLD how Allah SWT dealt with him without us being present to see it. Imagine if in a thousand years, the United States is a completely different landscape, much of it devoid of inhabitants and all of the history associated with its people are lost. (41:13) For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. Thus, at the end, the people of al-Hijr are mentioned. [pp. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. [14] The Thamd in question were Roman auxiliary troops, as the inscription states explicitly: For the well-being of the rulers of the whole world Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. . Nigel Groom said that Sargon II recorded his subjugations of the tribe of Tamud in 715 BCE, that Agatharchides refers to the land of the Thamoudenian Arabs, Diodorus Sicilus refers to the Thamudeni, Pliny speaks of the Tamudaei, Ptolemy mentioned the Thamudiatea and also the Thamydeni and a Nabatean inscription dated to 166-169 CE refers to the nation or federation of the Thamudeans.[3][4]. But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). These two groups are considered to be ancestors to modern day Arabs. Suhih Bukhari_ Book of _ Virues of Al-Quran : THE FIRST PILLAR OF ISLAM: THE MUSLIM PROFESSION O _ ( Istighfar & Tawbah Authentic Dua & Dhikr: What Is the Status of Women in Islam? The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. . They also fell to idol-worshipping. But before we get to that, lets analyze their responses. In fact, we even know the scripts they used! Instead, they tried to engage Salih in debate. . (LogOut/ In addition, when the verses talk about Verily there is a sign in this, it doesnt necessarily mean that we have to see the sign i.e. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then A temple they constructed at Rawwafa, 200 miles north of Medina, mentions the following in a Greek-Nabataean bilingual inscription: For the wellbeing of the rulers of the whole world . Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. Chaldeans formed when actual tribe of thamud perished so you are not correct . Like some of the tombs have window openings and some of the niches are not much more wide than a hand, which hardly can serve as a resting place for a human body. The tribes of Arabia engaged in nomadic herding and agriculture since 6000 BCE. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. Several other inscriptions bearing the namesAad and Iram have been discovered in Jordan. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . [Qur'an . So bring on whatever punishment you say is coming to us.. Question:What is the correct explanation for the P --* _ . When some one has a keen desire to understand logically or has questions, there is nothing wrong I think. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. The exact details of their faith are not mentioned much in the Quran, but it was definitely something that was practiced by most of the society. And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. Point by Ismail about the order of the messengers from earliest to latest also is something to ponder over and maybe the people of the Hijr are different from the Thamud. (LogOut/ that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. The Nabateans The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. (2/380-381), The inscriptions of al-Hijr are the remnants of the Nabateans. While I think thats a response one could muster the fact is that we have no evidence whatsoever for that and it does not explain why the Prophet () would have referred to them as punished people. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of pre-Islamic Arabs out of Yemen to the north. Connected with previous Divine Envoys of caravans, and were disobedient eventually, demanded... 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